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Insects survived on floating vegetation mats (Talk.Origins)

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This article (Insects survived on floating vegetation mats (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.


Claim CH511:

Insects and other invertebrates were not taken aboard the ark during Noah's flood. They survived on vegetation mats.

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CreationWiki response: (Talk.Origins quotes in blue)

1. Many insects could not survive for a year on vegetation mats. Most insects are specialized at least somewhat for their food or environment. 2. A global flood would cause the extinction of millions of species of insects and other invertebrates simply as a result of the reduced quantity of habitat. Insect species are going extinct today simply from the cutting down of sections of forests. A global flood would be many orders of magnitude more devastating. Given the fact that insects are alive today, if there was a flood, Noah must have gathered them and saved them with the rest of the animals.

Talk Origins is confusing the original insect kinds for post flood varieties (species) of those kinds. Most of the specialization they talk of probably came about as a result of insects adapting to the post-Flood world. Even if much of this specialization existed before the flood, based on the creation model those insects living today would be degenerated forms of those living at the time of the flood. They would have been healthier and probably less sensitive to changes in their environment than their modern descendants. Given this, it is not unreasonable that those insects could have survived on vegetation mats, even if their modern descendants can't.

3. The Bible says that Noah took "every creeping thing on the ground" and that these were distinct from animals (Gen. 6:20, 7:8, 14). It further says that all life that was not aboard the ark was killed, including creeping and swarming things (Gen. 7:21-23).

Talk Origins clearly missed the qualifying statement in Genesis 7:22. It saying, "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died." Insects absorb oxygen through abdominal membranes and do not have nostrils, nor can they be said to breathe air in normal usage of the term. So insects don't meet the Bible's description.

Reference: How could all the animals get on board Noah's Ark?

There is not the slightest bit of biblical support for anything living on vegetation mats

It is correct there is no biblical reference to anything living on vegetation mats, but neither is there any reference to the survival of aquatic animals. The Biblical account deals with those animals that needed to be on the ark, not those that did not. The Bible is silent on those animals that could survive outside the Ark.

and a great deal of biblical contradiction of the idea.

WRONG! Talk Origins is missing Genesis 7:22's qualifying statement, that seems to eliminate insects.

Obviously, the only reason to put insects on mats is so the ark apologists do not have to worry about them.

Actually, putting insects on mats would help with the regrowth of plants worldwide after the Flood. So not worrying about insects is not the only reason for placing them on mats.

Reference: How could all the animals get on board Noah's Ark?

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