The Creation Wiki is made available by the NW Creation Network
Watch monthly Live-Webcast - Like us on Facebook - Subscribe on YouTube

Death and suffering before humanity implies an unmerciful God (Talk.Origins)

From CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

Jump to: navigation, search
Talkorigins.jpg
Response Article
This article (Death and suffering before humanity implies an unmerciful God (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.


Claim CA650:

Evolution implies that animals suffered and died for billions of years before human beings appeared. This implies that God is not really a God of mercy and grace, because the suffering was not necessary to create human beings for fellowship with himself. This, in turn, implies that the loving God of the Bible does not exist. Source: Morris, Henry M. 2000 The vital importance of believing in recent creation. Back to Genesis 138 (June): a-c. Morris, Henry M. 1998. The Fall, the curse, and evolution. Back to Genesis 112 (Apr.): a.

CreationWiki response:

Talk Origins is taking this out of context. It is not an argument against Evolution theory itself but attempts to reconcile the Biological account to Evolution theory.

(Talk.Origins quotes in blue)

1. Evolution assumes that the conditions of death and suffering in the past were much like they are now. If death and suffering mean God was not a god of grace and mercy before humanity, then the same conditions today mean he still is not such a god.

Thank you Talk Origins for helping to prove Morris’ point, which is if Evolution is true then the “the loving God of the Bible does not exist.” This helps to show that reconciling the Biological account to Evolution theory is impossible.

2. It is not for us to tell God how to do his job. There is no justification to claim that from God's point of view, death and suffering are not the best way to get things done.

While there is some truth to this, based on what the Bible says about God it would be inconstant with His nature, which is the point of the claim.

3. Creationism does not solve the problem. It still proposes a god that allowed 2,000 years or more of suffering and dying before redemption came. If God is cruel for allowing billions of years of suffering, he is still cruel for allowing thousands of years of suffering.

Once again Talk Origins shows that they do not get the point. It is not a question of time but of cause. If animals were suffering and dying for billions of years before man, then God is the cause of death and suffering; but according to the Bible man’s sin is the cause of death and suffering.

4. Origins are not determined by our personal decisions of what religion to follow.

Not relevant since this claim is an issue of Biblical interpretation, and its incompatibility with Evolution, and not which view is actually correct.


Personal tools