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Explosions such as the big bang don't produce order or information (Talk.Origins)

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This article (Explosions such as the big bang don't produce order or information (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.

Claim CE441:

The universe was supposedly formed in the big bang, but explosions do not produce order or information.

Source: Big-Bang-Theory, 2002.


CreationWiki response: (Talk.Origins quotes in blue)

1. The total entropy of the universe at the start of the big bang was minimal, perhaps almost zero. Because it was so compact, it had considerably more order than the universe we are in now. The complexity we observe around us today can be produced from the ultimate order of the hot but cooling gas of the big bang.

That is true only of the universe as a whole. There are parts of the universe that are more ordered, and have a lower entropy than could be obtained by simply squeezing all the matter together, specifically life. Furthermore, the initial energy of the Big Bang would have greatly increased entropy in moments. The initial order of the singularity would have been reduced to total chaos almost instantly. In any case, this order is not claimed to be information, of the kind that is stored in DNA.

2. The big bang was not an explosion. It was an expansion. Besides the fact that it got bigger over time, the big bang has almost nothing in common with an explosion.

This is essentially true and Talk Origins's cited source clearly states this, so it is unclear where they got the wording of this claim. However the Big Bang has far more in common with an explosion than just expansion, it has heat and lots of it. The energy of this initial expansion would have been like an explosion destroying any order that had previously existed and reducing it to total chaos.

3. Explosions do produce some order amidst their other effects:

Not in and of themselves. There is always more than just an explosion involved. The explosion is just a source of energy that gets channeled into some form of order by something external to the actual explosion.

  • Large surface explosions, such as nuclear bombs, produce the familiar mushroom clouds. There are not very highly ordered, but they are not purely random, either.

This results from the Earth's redirecting the explosion. This is more ordered than the actual explosion. A nuclear explosion in space or underground produces no such effect.

  • Supernovae produce heavy elements...

Supernovae are more than just explosions; they are combinations of explosion and implosion. This situation produces in a short period of time, heat and pressure sufficient to cause fusion of heavy elements. It is actually part of the triggering event rather than the actual explosion.

...the shock waves from them compress interstellar gases, which begins the formation of new stars.

  1. This is just theory, not an observed fact.
  2. If it occured, it would result from the explosion's providing energy to an external system, with the system applying the energy in a relatively organized way.
  • Powerful explosions can compress carbon into diamond crystals, the most ordered arrangement.

Once again this is a case of an explosion's supplying energy to a system that is capable of directing it in an organized manner. In this case, the atomic structure of carbon is capable of directing the energy to form an organized structure.

  • Explosions of atomized gasoline produce compressed gas, which is harnessed in internal combustion engines to power automobiles and other equipment.

This occurs only because the explosion occurs inside a structure designed to contain and direct the force of the explosion. Put the same amount of air and vaporized gasoline inside a soda can and ignite it, the resulting explosion would blow the can to bits


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