Talk:After the Flood

Sceaf and Seth

When I read in the part of the Anglo-Saxon chapter where he discussed an occasion of Sceaf being rendered Seth how Seth could conceivably be derived from Japheth, I immediately wondered if in any way this could be relevant to the Seth (Normally rendered Set today) of Egyptian mythology. Latter when for unrelated reason I was studying the History of Red Hair (I'm likely carrying the Ginger Gene receive) I discovered that Red hair was considered a sign of being descended form Seth in Ancient Egypt. I was immediately reminded of this since Red Hair occurs most commonly (Though not always) among descendants of Japheth, Indo-Europeans and some Mongoloids (Mongols I believe are connected to Magog).--MithirandirOlorin 02:16, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I'm also of the view that Osiris is (in part) based on Nimrod. Historically I believe Nimrod was Enmerkar the King of Uruk, one of my few agreements with Rohl. That would mean his son Horus would be Tammuz. The context of Identifying Seth with Japeth is interesting since I've heard, though I haven't seen them for my self, that there are Rabbinical/Apocryphal traditions that Japheth was part of some sort of Rebellion against Nimrod. Lugalbanda, who reigned between Enmerkar and Tammuz would not necessarily be Japheth himself in this model, he appears to have originally been a soldier and may well have been part of a military coup (Perhaps the first ever) and then a military governor or puppet ruler for a person or persons ruling from another city, perhaps Kish.--MithirandirOlorin 02:16, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

In the Appendices of After The Flood I notice only Japheth of Noah's 3 sons seems to have been deified by his descendants. Grandsons of Noah form all 3 becomes gods and demigods in various mythologies, but he doesn't cite a single example of a pagan god identifiable with Shem or Ham, Ham's offspring are often (Thou perhaps unfairly) viewed as the first to have fallen into Idolatry, yet no idol appears to have been made fomr Ham himself. However Japheth becomes Iapetus/Iapetus (The latter spelling I discovered almost by accident has a Greek Numerical value of 666, and would have been the original spelling, the us is a Latinization) Iupater, Pra-Japati, Sceaf and also possibly Seth. I think the most logical explanation for this difference is if unlike the other 2 Japheth had actually been a King in the early Post-Flood world.--MithirandirOlorin 02:16, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Seth was also the main god worshiped by the Hyksos, or at least that appears to be the case. The Hyksos where a composite people who included I believe Amalekites, Midianites, Amorites and probably some other Edomite and Canaanite clans. But conciveably I could see a possible Indo-European element as well.--MithirandirOlorin 02:16, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Irish Celtic age of the Earth

In After The Flood, Bill Cooper says the annals of Ancient Ireland placed the Creation around 4000 B.C. and the Dates he gives imply 4004 B.C. agreeing exactly with Ussher. But he doesn't explain why he interprets the annals that way. Most other sources I've read place every Invasion of Ireland several hundred or even a Thousand years sooner then Cooper's dates.--MithirandirOlorin 02:27, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Dardanus and Dodonim

One of my few disagreements with him was this Identification. Rhodes and Dodona and other such names reflect Dodonim in Ancient Greece. Nennius 18 (Which I think is base don more accurate info then 17) lists Dardanus as a Son or descendant of Elishah the son of Javan.--MithirandirOlorin 02:27, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I don't believe Dardanus is a Son of Zerah, I've viewed those hilarious discussions here and may add my input in the future. Tribe of Dan I do feel has an interesting history though. But I don't allow myself to go over board with that either.--MithirandirOlorin 02:27, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Cicero quotes

The edition of Cicero Bill Cooper used when quoting him in Chapter 1 is clearly a different edition then mine. I have the Oxford World's Classics edition of The Nature of the gods translated by P.G. Walsh. 3 of the 4 quotes I have found using the index, but the 2nd(note 26) I haven't found yet. Note 21 is Book 2 87-88 on page 78, note 28 is Book 2 93 on page 80, and note 31 is Book 2 4-5 on page 48.--MithirandirOlorin 05:16, 27 May 2011 (PDT)