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Given that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years, this would mean that the Joseph would have arrived in Egypt around 1890BC. | Given that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years, this would mean that the Joseph would have arrived in Egypt around 1890BC. | ||
If [[Joseph and Imhotep]] were the same person, [[Pharaoh Djoser (Netjerikhet)|Djoser (Netjerikhet)]] would have been the Pharaoh of Joseph and his reign would have began 18 years earlier around 1908BC. However, this would mean that the Bible is inaccurate when it describes the regular use of chariots (introduced by the Hyksos) both in the time of Joseph and the Exodus. | If [[Joseph and Imhotep]] were the same person, [[Pharaoh Djoser (Netjerikhet) was the Pharaoh of Joseph|Djoser (Netjerikhet)]] would have been the Pharaoh of Joseph and his reign would have began 18 years earlier around 1908BC. However, this would mean that the Bible is inaccurate when it describes the regular use of chariots (introduced by the Hyksos) both in the time of Joseph and the Exodus. | ||
We know Joseph lived for 80 years after he came to Egypt and the Israelites were not afflicted during this time. Maybe, it took another century after Joseph died for the Egyptians to forget what Joseph had done for them. As Joseph lived until the age of 110 years, he would have served more than one pharaoh. It is not likely however, that the Pharaohs would simply forget. The Bible says that a king arrived who "knew not Joseph". If the Pharoahs of the 18th Dynasty (post-Hyksos, per the chariots) were the one who overthrew the Hyksos, then it makes sense that they would know nothing of Joseph. It also makes sense that the Hyksos, being Canaanite, would have found favor with Joseph to elevate him to a position of authority. The true Egyptians were reknown for protecting their own ruling class and would not have suffered someone such as Joseph in a position of power. This also explains why the reaction of Pharaoh to Moses' heritage was so strongly negative. The slaves were stark reminders of the prior (Hyksos) reign and what could happen if Canaanites (like Moses) were ever given authority again. | We know Joseph lived for 80 years after he came to Egypt and the Israelites were not afflicted during this time. Maybe, it took another century after Joseph died for the Egyptians to forget what Joseph had done for them. As Joseph lived until the age of 110 years, he would have served more than one pharaoh. It is not likely however, that the Pharaohs would simply forget. The Bible says that a king arrived who "knew not Joseph". If the Pharoahs of the 18th Dynasty (post-Hyksos, per the chariots) were the one who overthrew the Hyksos, then it makes sense that they would know nothing of Joseph. It also makes sense that the Hyksos, being Canaanite, would have found favor with Joseph to elevate him to a position of authority. The true Egyptians were reknown for protecting their own ruling class and would not have suffered someone such as Joseph in a position of power. This also explains why the reaction of Pharaoh to Moses' heritage was so strongly negative. The slaves were stark reminders of the prior (Hyksos) reign and what could happen if Canaanites (like Moses) were ever given authority again. | ||
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If the 12th dynasty lasted almost 200 years, this leaves just over 200 years for the remainder of the 3rd dynasty, the 4th dynasty, the 5th dynasty and the 6th dynasty during which there were, supposedly, 22 pharaohs which means an average reign of only 10 years (if there was no co-regency). | If the 12th dynasty lasted almost 200 years, this leaves just over 200 years for the remainder of the 3rd dynasty, the 4th dynasty, the 5th dynasty and the 6th dynasty during which there were, supposedly, 22 pharaohs which means an average reign of only 10 years (if there was no co-regency). | ||
From the [[Famine Stella]], we have | From the [[Famine Stella]], we have evidence that Imhotep came to be the vizier during the 18th year of [[Pharaoh Djoser (Netjerikhet) was the Pharaoh of Joseph|Djoser]] which was near the end of his reign. | ||
It may also be that some of the Pharaoh's of the 3-6th dynasties were co-regent with one another and maybe, just maybe, a few of the candidates who were thought to be Pharaohs may turn out to be [[Nomarchs]] or other high ranking officials (particular in dynasty 5-6). This is of course strong speculation with specious support. | It may also be that some of the Pharaoh's of the 3-6th dynasties were co-regent with one another and maybe, just maybe, a few of the candidates who were thought to be Pharaohs may turn out to be [[Nomarchs]] or other high ranking officials (particular in dynasty 5-6). This is of course strong speculation with specious support. | ||
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It is hard to reconcile all this information at this point in time. We need more light on the subject. | It is hard to reconcile all this information at this point in time. We need more light on the subject. | ||
In short, there are a number of reasons for believing that [[Joseph and Imhotep]] were the same person. If Joseph was Imhotep, this would mean that Netjerikhet was the Pharaoh of Joseph and this would explain why he subsequently came to be know as Djoser (or Zozer in Greek). | In short, there are a number of reasons for believing that [[Joseph and Imhotep]] were the same person. If Joseph was Imhotep, this would mean that [[Netjerikhet]] was the [[Pharaoh Djoser (Netjerikhet) was the Pharaoh of Joseph|Pharaoh of Joseph]] and this would explain why he subsequently came to be know as [[Pharaoh Djoser (Netjerikhet) was the Pharaoh of Joseph|Djoser]] (or Zozer in Greek). | ||
The revised chronology has gone a long way towards resolving the problem with discrepant dates. The "smoking gun" as it were, remains the absence of chariot technology in the days of Djoser, and that the Hyksos introduced chariots to Egypt, and Joseph and Moses both had exposure to chariots. This forever separates Imhotep and Djoser from Joseph, the Exodus, and Moses. | The revised chronology has gone a long way towards resolving the problem with discrepant dates. The "smoking gun" as it were, remains the absence of chariot technology in the days of Djoser, and that the [[Hyksos]] introduced chariots to Egypt, and Joseph and Moses both had exposure to chariots. This forever separates Imhotep and Djoser from Joseph, the Exodus, and Moses. | ||
== Who were the Pharaohs of the Oppression? == | == Who were the Pharaohs of the Oppression? == | ||
